
My mother and I have had a constant discussion about the upcoming Presidential debate. With the absence of Fred Thompson in the field, my love has very obviously turned to Mitt Romney. He is my candidate, and although I believe he’ll have the nomination wrapped up by the time the Virginia primaries, I would vote for him there and I’ll vote for him against Obama when the time comes.
My mother doesn’t think Mitt Romney has the chops to beat Obama come election day. (Although she’s not necessarily in disagreement that he should win from what I gather, she’s more disappointed that although everyone knows he is a middle of the road republican he has had to cater to the extreme right in some respects to win the nomination – a fact that I give him the one eyebrow on too.) I take a fairly different stance on why Romney will beat Obama, and it’s because the people who voted for Obama the first time are simply not going to vote again.
This morning, I got some numbers to back me up.
In 2008, more than 65 million Americans cast Democratic votes in congressional races, a 13 million-vote edge over the Republicans. In 2010, the Democratic vote dropped to 35 million, 6 million less than the Republicans, which took power in the House and evened out the Senate. Now, it could be argued that those numbers mean very little because it was a mid-term election. The presidential race historically always brings out much higher numbers than mid-terms because, well, voting for the President is important. (Although, this is a flaw in most people’s thinking – your congressional races are arguably more important but that’s a blog post for another day.)
The interesting part about this is where the numbers dropped – and where they didn’t:
- The number of voters under 24 who voted in 2010 dropped by 60 percent, and those between 24 and 29 by almost 50 percent. Young people, who overwhelmingly voted for Obama in 2008 declined by almost 11 million votes in the mid-terms.
- Among over-65-year-olds, the core of the Tea Party movement, the voting numbers barely changed, from 17.6 million in 2008 to 17.5 million in 2010.
- The African-American vote fell by 40 percent, and the Hispanic vote by almost 30 percent.
- Among the mostly white voters who earn more than $200,000 per year, the turnout fell by only 5 percent, from 7 million to 6.5 million.
- Voting by those with annual incomes under $30,000 dropped by 33 percent.
Overall, the democratic vote fell by about 50% across the board in the midterms, while the Republican vote stayed about the same. This election was 20 months into President Obama’s administration – and he had already lost 50% of the base that voted for him the first time. His approval rating was higher than then it is now – and the people who voted for him couldn’t go out and vote for the people he championed.
What does this mean for the upcoming election?
It means, that unless Obama can totally turn around the economy in the year he has left – the same numbers will plague him in the polls. It’s not that the democrats don’t like Obama, it’s just that they won’t be inspired to go to the polls, and if they don’t go to the polls, he won’t win. Obama is relying heavily on a group of people who have jobs that don’t give you off time to vote, who might not have reliable transportation to the polling location, and generally have bigger things to worry about than who is president. These people need to be inspired to take time out of their day to vote, otherwise they just become apathetic to the entire scene. (This is also, by the way, how Kerry lost in 2004 – he didn’t inspire the democratic base and they mostly stayed home.)
Republicans on the other hand, while not inspired by Mitt Romney to the level that the democrats were with Obama, won’t actually stay home and abstain from voting like the democrats do. The numbers, which I’m actually too lazy to go get, prove that the republicans typically go out and vote with the same frequency regardless of who the candidate is, and they vote republican.
My prediction is that unless President Obama can turn his entire ship around and motivate the left again, Mitt Romney will win.
Who will you be voting for in 2012?


Stephanie is a 27 year old living outside of Washington, DC.



It isn’t gonna happen.
I’ll tell you why using two points:
1. Obama had Bin Laden killed.
2. Republicans blocked the WPA.
Turns out, the employed are still legally able to vote and they are gonna vote for the terrorist killing guy trying to help them get jobs.
Do you think Obama is really going to run on an “I killed Osama” campaign? Also – are they going to vote for a guy who is trying to get them jobs, or a guy who is a proven job creator?
It’s interesting how little support Romney has out here – interesting because there are tons of Mormons (I live in a tiny town, and it has 3 Mormon wards) and because it’s pretty conservative, outside of the middle of the state, and because he’s almost considered a local guy, what with the Olympics in SLC and all. I asked my Latino neighbors if they watched the debate last night (I have watched every one of them) and they rolled their eyes and then went down the Romney/Perry/Bachmann/Cain list and told me in detail why they didn’t trust them. Someone at work told me today that he was firmly in the Romney camp until the debate last night, and he didn’t like the angry and condescending way that Mitt was treating people. Perry strikes me as the snotty senior football player who lost the starting job to a sophmore. Both of them are too slick for my liking. I’m starting to dig Paul – I think he gets less coverage than the others (he didn’t even get to answer the final question last night) because he understands the issues better than the others – and better than the news correspondents and he’s not flashy at all.
And don’t even get me started on Mr “I don’t have any facts to back up what I’m about to say” Cain and Crazylady Bachmann. I thought the crazy was seriously overstated until I started watching and listening to her more and she is a fucking nutcase.
It’s interesting that people are going to not for Romney because he was “angry and condescending” towards Perry. Honestly, Romney’s got a thicker skin than I do because I would have punched Perry for calling me a cult member just because of my religion. (Especially after the discovery of his “niggerhead” camping lodge – but no one has called him racist yet)
Romney doesn’t have a chance, Stephanie.
I seem to remember you saying there was no way in hell Bush would win a second term too.
He didn’t win. He was given that by the Supreme Court.
One is not the other.
(Assuming you’re talking about the Bush/Gore election…)
Look, I think Dubya was a total disaster of a president on many fronts, but he was not given the election by anyone. Numerous independent committees looked into the Florida vote, and even giving the Democrats the benefit of the doubt on everything resulted in a narrow loss for Gore. Bush won that election.
And all Gore had to do was win his home state, and he couldn’t do that. As much as I dislike Bush, if Gore couldn’t beat him, he didn’t deserve to be President.
Perry has zero chance of being President because, frankly, he just isn’t Presidential.
Thank God.
I hate Perry, and Bachman… I like Cain for the LOL’s and I really like Huntsman although he can’t win.
Romney is the least crazy Republican candidate, so best to run him, but head to head in a debate he is gonna get crushed.
Cain is just selling the same old flat tax with a new name.
Not so sure, Obama is actually a really horrible speaker without a teleprompter – Romney might make him look like Perry did a couple debates ago. You never know.
Romney has all the charm and charisma of a chunk of wood.
In a great many ways, his speaking style reminds me of Al Gore.
Forced and fake.
We’ll see Dustin, we’ll see.
Romney all the way! He’s the only one who will be capable of beating Obama in 2012. Obama will be on the defensive in next year’s debates. He’ll be uncomfortable in that position and Romney is the only one with the speaking skills and knowledge to back up a hard-hitting critique of Obama’s first term.
Romney is going to get the GOP nomination unless something really bizarre happens. I happen to agree with Dustin that he has no charm, no charisma, no personality and I think he has a lot of the same traits that doomed Kerry – he’s very smart and has a decent command of the subject matter, but he says what people want him to say – I don’t believe that he believes half the stuff that comes out of his mouth. Doesn’t matter, because he will flip on his position sooner or later. Sadly, I think that the Mormon thing is going to work against him (I don’t think anyone’s religion should matter, but it did when Kennedy ran, it did when Obama ran (even though he is not Muslim, enough people thought he was and it became an issue) and it will with Romney.) He does have a business background and has proven that he can run large organizations, but people act like he’s going to be able to turn the economy around, and that’s never going to happen in a system we have now. I thought he was angry and condescending and smug towards everyone last night, not just Perry (and I would have also coldcocked Perry for acting like the supreme asshole that he is.) Obama is not a really horrible speaker without a teleprompter, but he’s not as good with unprepared comments as he is when he’s prepared. And trust me, he’ll be prepared in a debate. They are both smart, but I think Obama is smarter and has a cooler head and is generally more likeable, and also has an ability to make the other guy look like a dick without making himself look like a dick for making the other guy look like a dick and that’s why I think their debates will make for good TV watching. I love a good debate.
I don’t know who will win, and frankly, I’m not happy with any of the candidates, Republican or Democrat. I can tell you though that having lived in Massachusetts when Romney was Governor has guaranteed that I will NEVER vote for that man for President. Hell, I never voted for him for Gov. The only good thing he did for Mass (I believe) was in the health care and the ADA sectors, and that is because his wife (who is a sweetheart and one of the nicest people I’ve ever worked with) has Multiple Sclerosis and was actively involved with the National MS Society. Romney on the other hand, is pompous, rude, and so full of himself I’m surprised his hair isn’t the color of shit.
*sigh* Ok, rant over.
Ill give you this, Romney will get the GOP nod, with maybe Paul or Huntsmen as his running mate for the sheer fact that he’s the most sane out of all the candidates.
And to be honest, McCain vs Obama was an even fight, Ill give you that as well, but the moment McCain picked Palin as his running mate he lost the total election. She’s just bat sit crazy. She scared away a lot of the “swing” voter, i.e. upper middle class suburbanites who are down with gay marriage and abortion but like to keep their money to themselves.
Personally, Perry, Cain, Bachman, or Paul don’t have a chance at winning for the sheer fact that most people view them as bat shit crazy.
and, I agree with what Brian has said about Paul at least sticking to his guns in the 20+ years he’s been on the hill, few politicians can say that.
Forget W and florida please, it is a non issue. If Al Gore had won his home state then he would have been president. Let’s look at it that way. As for the current slate of candidates, I guess I dont care for Romney because he has Bob Dloe syndrom where he feels the nomination should be his by default. Don’t get me wrong I liked Dole, but rehashing the same candidates over and over is gonna Kill the GoP chances of victory. As For O’Bama well he hasnt been very good to the unions, so that part of his base will not come out, latinos seem lack luster for him and the suburban white voters seem disenchanted after being ignored when the health care issue was “debated”. I am afriad that voter turnout will be low and so will interest. If O’Bama runs on an anti W platform he is vulnerable to the “I am not W” arguement and it’s been 4 years arguement which will hurt him. Sooner or later he needs to take responsibility for the economy. I guess with it’s gonna be a contest of who can get the base out to vote. Given the track record of the Democrats ability to mobilize the base and african americans desire to have him be a two term president I think the election will go to O’Bama by a slim margin. Personally I like Ron Paul, although I don’t think he will win. His ideas are sound for the most part and I am glad that the republican’s are acknowledging that his followers are a force to be reckoned with and that translates into a better platform that might just save our middle class. I figure since Sean and I talk bout him alot I should add my 2cents worth.
Persoanlly the eltorial college should be thrown out the window. It only mattered when slaves counted at three fifths of a human being. The will of the people should be the design maker of who becomes president. OWhat I think many people are disgusted by is how the main contenders from the GOP think the earth is 7000 years old and how the theory of evolution is total shit . Thats why I like Huntman and to a lesser extent Romney, If the GOP wants to win in 2012 then their going to have to haveHuntsmen or Romney as the main runner, because most epopelt think perry/bachman/cain are batshit crazy
and i just typed all that without my contacts in so Im notdrunk
You missed my point. My point is that the GoP has certain front runners that have a sense of “it’s my time” and Romney reflects that. Challengers who disrupt that are treated with disdain. You are right in that the GoP is too closely associated with the religious right, hence the embracing of Ron Paul’s ideas in the platform being a good thing becuse it moves the party more center and more ideas are being heard which gives the people a greater voice, as copmared to the party being held hostage to a few zealots. Finally I will never support a popular vote, the electoral college is perfect, it makes it so ALL the states get heard, not just a few select states with large population centers. I mean if you think about it someone could become president by winning 5 states. Last time I checked we have 45 others that need to be heard as well. I know my state will NEVER see another presidential candidate here if we go to a popular vote. Our voices will not be heard and our ideals (both democrat and republican) will not reflected.
I am becoming quite worried about the increasing trend of criminalizing everything in the United States and around the world. While many laws are necessary, life is becoming so regulated that almost everything humans do is becoming illegal.
Americans like to say they love freedom, but there are few freedoms left in the US. The government is tightening the noose to strangle Americans with ever-increasing nanny state laws so much that the US is starting to look like North Korea.
Most of the following actions have been outlawed just in my lifetime:
Fast food restaurants have been banned.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/16/us/16fastfood.html
Feeding homeless people has become a crime.
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2011-06-02/news/os-homeless-feedings-arrests-20110601_1_group-feedings-feedings-in-public-parks-orlando-police
Sex tourism has been outlawed.
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-02-18-sex-tourists_x.htm
Sex offenders have been required to register with the police and are forbidden from living near schools and parks.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123500941182818821.html
Sex offenders can be be held for life under indefinite civil commitment laws even after they complete their original sentences.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/opinion/sunday/sex-offenders-the-last-pariahs.html?pagewanted=all
Drug users have been banned from receiving welfare or student aid.
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/Advice/WhatIllegalDrugUseCanCostYou.aspx?page=all
The US Constitution has been overruled by the Patriot Act that has legalized wiretaps without a warrant and allows the government to deport
and strip any American of his or her citizenship.
http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,449497,00.html
Guantanamo has been used to keep and torture suspected terrorists without trial.
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/10/28/world/meast/guantanamo-former-detainees/index.html
Domestic violence abusers having been banned from having guns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/06/us/06guns.html?pagewanted=all
Mandatory seat belt use laws have been enacted.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-08-18-seat-belt-rear_N.htm
DUI and drug checkpoints have been allowed.
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/dui-checkpoint-snags-seven-offenders-1.878793#axzz1d8KqudEA
http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Sheriff-using-checkpoint-warnings-in-drug-fight-2229666.php
Governments are now allowed to seize the property of suspected prostitution clients, drug users, and drunk drivers.
http://detnews.com/article/20091112/METRO/911120388/Police-property-seizures-ensnare-even-the-innocent
“John TV” shows that embarrass and punish people arrested on prostitution charges are now allowed.
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970803&slug=2552909
The US now has a secret panel “kill list” of Americans who are targeted to be assassinated without a trial.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/05/us-cia-killlist-idUSTRE79475C20111005
Car owners are now required to have liability insurance.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/1987-10-27/news/mn-16876_1_mandatory-auto-insurance-law
Americans are not allowed to travel to Cuba.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/05/travel/bush-administration-showing-willingness-to-enforce-law-on-visiting-cuba.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
People who owe child support are not allowed to have passports.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-welch21aug21,0,123074.story
People who have defaulted student loans are not allowed to have professional licenses.
http://www.iowacollegeaid.gov/DefaultPrevention/default.html
The US is one of the few countries that has the death penalty.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0777460.html
Americans must report any currency that they carry over $10,000.
http://imperialvalleynews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5859&Itemid=2
Americans must pay sales taxes on services.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/28/us/28taxes.html?pagewanted=all
Americans must now pay sales taxes on mail-order products shipped from other states.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2009/jul/03/opinion/ed-tax03
Americans must pay US taxes on worldwide income.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/26/business/worldbusiness/26iht-tax.html?pagewanted=all
Americans must also pay income taxes to foreign countries when they work overseas.
http://www.sars.gov.za/home.asp?pid=44773
Americans must pay taxes on gifts given and received.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/your-money/24iht-nwgift.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.irs.gov/businesses/article/0%2C%2Cid=200722%2C00.html
The drinking age has been raised.
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/01/us/wyoming-finally-raises-its-drinking-age.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Drunk driving has been outlawed.
http://www.nytimes.com/1987/03/23/us/drunken-driving-showing-decline.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Homeowners cannot rent rooms in their homes.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/22/nyregion/22homeless.html?pagewanted=all
Debtors with defaulted student loans are forbidden from having driver licenses.
http://www.doj.mt.gov/driving/driverlicensesanctions.asp
Child seats are now required in cars with toddlers.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/oct/10/news/hw-55349
Americans cannot have US or foreign bank accounts while living overseas.
http://blogs.wsj.com/hong-kong/2011/03/10/red-white-and-through/
Americans who do have overseas bank accounts must report them to the US government every year.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804796387763807.html
Adultery is illegal.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-26-column26_ST_N.htm
Foreign workers are forbidden from working in many countries.
http://thestar.com.my/metro/story.asp?file=/2008/9/23/central/2090943&sec=central
Unmarried couples may not live together.
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2005-07-17-state-law_x.htm
Oral sex is illegal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/us/11bar.html
Some countries require websites to be licensed by the government.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/jun/08/world/fg-chinaweb8
Panhandling is illegal.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-09-25/panhandle-ban-louisville/50541244/1
Loitering is illegal.
http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090714/ARTICLES/907149911?p=all&tc=pgall
Homeowners are legally required to mow their lawns.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Jailed-homeowner-reconsiders-mowing-lawn-1811557.php
There is now a 5 year lifetime limit on welfare.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2002/apr/20/news/mn-39050
Bankruptcy has been outlawed.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-04-20-bush-bankruptcy_x.htm
Watering and not watering lawns are both illegal.
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2007/oct/07/nation/na-drought7
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-09-18-2585115022_x.htm
Fat taxes are being added to food.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/booster_shots/2008/08/alabama-places.html
Smoking indoors, in parks, at beaches, and on public transportation has been made illegal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/25/us/more-california-air-space-set-for-no-smoke-zones.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Sales of cigarettes to minors has been outlawed.
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/08/18/nyregion/keeping-teen-agers-smokeless-perth-amboy-moves-combat-cigarette-sales-minors.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
Airline passengers can now be added to “no-fly” lists, searched, and required to have an ID.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/22/us/22tsa.html
Driving while using a mobile phone has been banned.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/01/three-more-states-enact-texting-while-driving-bans/1
Americans are now required by law to have health insurance.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/judicial/2011-06-29-health-care-ruling_n.htm
Cars are required to have air bags.
http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/25/autos/airbags/index.htm
Americans are now required to have a passport to visit Canada and Mexico.
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/articles/2009/03/14/business/doc49bb9a6967f18615571979.txt?viewmode=fullstory
The minimum driving age has been raised.
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/10/automobiles/how-we-drive-the-young-and-reckless-ready-to-drive.html?pagewanted=all
Enough is enough. If you care about your freedom, write your elected officials. Governments would love to take away all your freedom if they could. Our freedoms are diminishing, not growing. Stand up, fight for your rights, and protect our freedom now!
http://www.usa.gov/Contact/Elected.shtml
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html
http://www.economist.com/node/16636027
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First they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists, but I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me, but there was no one left to speak for me.
If only one person is not free, then no one is free.
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
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